Tuesday, November 27, 2007

Please stop, Please!?!

Well it's that time of year, Holly Jolly, and Ho Ho Ho. Oh yeah and the time when every secular progressive, or "wannabe" comes out and complains about something that bothers them about Christmas, and displays regarding the Holiday. I've already seen such things on local news, and national news and I'm sick and tired of it. I'm not going to rehash other arguments I've posted in the past on this topic. Rather, I'd like to offer this. Outside of any religious context, Christmas is a FEDERAL holiday recognized by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT of this country. In that regard, it is no different than Thanksgiving, Independence Day, Memorial Day, or Martin Luther King Jr. Day. As such, there should be no restriction on decorating of public land for this Holiday, just as there are no restrictions on decorations for any of the other FEDERAL holidays. If public buildings (city hall, parks, post offices) can post displays of Fireworks, Turkeys and Pilgrims, Portraits of Martin Luther King Jr. there should be no reason why a nativity scene cannot be put up. Oh and just in case you wanted to argue that this country is secular in nature, check out these familiar lines...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

No should we go back and change this document to make secular progressives feel good? Or... maybe it would be more fitting if they actually practiced about the concept of "tolerance" that they so brazenly preach about, and so openly wish all would follow. In other words, grow up, practice what you preach, and realize that no-one is intending to insult you or hurt your feelings by celebrating a Holiday formally recognized by this Nation.


At 6:16 PM, Blogger The Humanist said...

Ah yah, Schopp, Bulldawg - tanks for takin my call. I gotta bone ta pick with dis Goose fella. I tink he don't have da full understanding of da Founding Fathers concern dat da Fed'ral Govement not establish any one religion as an institutional faith. To support my point, I quote Tommy Jefferson:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State" (letter to the Danbury Baptist Association, 1802)

So, ya see, my point is dat Jefferson and the other FF's believed that separation of church and state was not an abstract right, but a necessary reform of the religious "tyranny" of one Christian sect over many other Christians - and of the interference of the state in affairs of religion. Da point is not specifically banning Christian images and renderings in the public square...it's preventing Government from establishing preference for one religion over another. And the difference between Christmas and other truly secular holidays (like Thanksgiving, MLK day, 4th of July, etc) is that Xmas is, by definition, a Christian holiday.

Besides, don't fall into dis "War on Christmas" crap from Faux News and the like. There is no more war on Christmas (or Christians for that matter) than there is a Santa Claus. (oops...sorry kids).

I'll hang up and listen to your response

At 3:53 AM, Blogger goose said...

Valid point, but Tommy Jefferson also wrote the words I originally posted. (kind of ironic doncha think?) Moreover, as for "Thanksgiving" being solely a secular holiday, that is quite incorrect. It is a day of "Thanksgiving" To the Almighty.

In 1789 Washington designated a national thanksgiving holiday for the newly ratified Constitution, specifically so that the people may thank God for "affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness" and for having "been enabled to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national One now lately instituted, for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed... "

oh and wait...

"I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union." The Collected Works of Abraham Lincoln edited by Roy P. Basler, Volume VI, "Proclamation of Thanksgiving" (October 3, 1863), p. 497.

Further, if you honestly believe, that this country was founded on the principles of separation of Church and State, I've got a Bridge in Grand Island to sell you. My argument for Christmas displays rests on the fact that it is a Christian Holiday, but it is also a formally recognized day of observance by this Federal Government,(as is Thanksgiving, which no one protests) and as such, displays on public property do not promote the religion, but merely celebrate the Fedeeral Holiday. It had been this way as far back as I can remember, up until about the turn of this century. I never remember having to take down Christmas displays in my school growing up, nor did my town have it's nativity scene protested against. This newly used argument of "it promotes" religion is pure bull$hit. It never seemed to bother these same people before, yet conveniently it does now that the issue has blown up into a big hullaballoo in the past few years. So I just wish it would stop.


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